Group 3's Thoughts on Chapters 19 & 20

In chapter 19, Holden visited bar named Wicker. It located in Seton hotel. He used to go there quite a lot, but he will never been there anymore because it is well known to phonies. However there are two girls named Tina and Janine. Every night they played piano and sing about three times a day.  Tina played piano but she got terrible skill and Janine got pretty good at singing but she always singing whispering into the microphone also they sang a song half of dirty French and English. However they are famous to phonies. They are applauding and all did. By the way, he met Luce. He is student adviser when he was at Whooton. Luce likes to talk about sex and also he has many knowledge about sex and girls too. When he came to bar he order dry Martini without olive because he want to as dry as drink. He didn’t want to talk seriously as like typically Holden’s and after threaten, he talks about his girlfriend. She is from Shanghai and much older than Luce. Almost she closes to 40. It means that she is late 30. However Holden asked to Luce that why are you met with old Chinese. Then he said, “It’s too involved to go into, for God’s sake and they simply happen to regard sex as both a physical and a spiritual experience.” (Salinger, P.146) After they talked Luce left the bar because he got a meet with someone. Moreover he recommends that visit to psychologist. Why Luce recommends that visit to psychologist?

In chapter 20, Holden kept drinking and waiting Tina and Janine to come out and do their stuff but they weren’t there. A flitty looking guy played piano and Valencia came out and sang. Holden gave her the old eye, but she pretended she didn’t see Holden. We think that Holden always want girl but he can’t Holden drank at that goddam bar till one o’clock. Holden want to call to Jane, but he was too drunk. Holden always think about Jane. He forgot to call Jane. He called to Sally Hayes. First time Sally’s grandmother answered after that Sally answered. We think Jane grandmother didn’t want to answered Holden. Jane didn’t want to talk and she said “Go to bed now”. Holden went toilet and he dunked his head in cold water. Holden walked to radiator and sat down. Then pretty soon, the guy that played piano came into toilet. Holden provoked to him but he ignored Holden. Holden went out to the hat check room and Holden felt damn depressed. Holden went out to the check room but he couldn’t find goddam check. The hat check girl was nice so she gave coat anyway. Holden want out and went park. Holden dropped Phoebe’s record. It broke into fifty pieces. Holden wanted to find lagoon, but he didn’t find easier. Finally he found lake it has any duck. Holden thought it’s take his mind off getting pneumonia and dying. We think Holden scared about death. Holden thought about Phoebe and he thought it is better sneak home and see Phoebe. Holden got of the park, and went home.

Questions for Commentators:

1.At the Wicker Bar, located in the posh Seton Hotel, Holden thinks about Luce. How holden think about Luce?
2.When Holden ask to Luce about whether Luce's father, what act Luce did?
3.Holden didn't go Alley's funeral, why he didn't go Alley's funeral?
4.If you are Holden and you failed all of call to date someone, what will you do? 

Other Groups:
Group 1- Heckler
Group 2- Commentator
Group 4- Philosopher
Group 5- Commentator